tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post1862480710677747561..comments2023-12-19T04:52:24.337-05:00Comments on The Howeva Files: BREAKING NEWS: Let's Make a DEAL! I'll Take the Aging Big Man and the Retarded Contract Behind Door Number 2 MontyJordan Gearyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05634968515546955261noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post-44620602255434281132008-02-08T12:40:00.000-05:002008-02-08T12:40:00.000-05:00Ivro my man, I did not once say that anyone did th...Ivro my man, I did not once say that anyone did their best in the deal. I agree with you, Phoenix could've done better, but they didn't, so that's what my commentary is on. Not what they could've done, what they did. Instead of smearing the deal, which is easy to do because of the mindbogglingness of it all, I took the other route and tried to find what's good about this deal. No arguments, no defending anyone, I just don't see it being that bad for Phoenix. For all you know, they may have offered the Magic Marion and Banks for Adonal Foyle, but the money doesn't work. The money wouldn't work for a lot of teams, so they found a deal where the money did work, and everyone had their reasons for getting the deal done. I just think it's important to realize that there's a lot more factors that go into getting this deal done than us armchair GMs know about.G.L. Rawxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03145050135732701153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post-67490093011781406292008-02-07T14:34:00.000-05:002008-02-07T14:34:00.000-05:00truth in what you're saying about fair market valu...truth in what you're saying about fair market value, the only problem, is that there is a difference between getting 75 cents to the dollar and getting a hand full of crap to the dollar. What do the Suns have to gain by moving Marion to Miami? Even if the guy is gonna opt-out in the offseason you are gonna have a bunch of cap room in order to sign someone in an offseason with a ton of talent in it. It would have made more sense for the Suns to have traded Marion to the Magic for Adonal Foyle. Atleast Adonal plays more than 20 games a season and can motivate himself enough to get into shape. I mean honestly, the Suns couldn't even get a 2nd round pick out of Miami along with Shaq? No, instead they just got older, slower, less healthy, and possibly killed any chance they had at winning a title due to lack of being able to sign a free agent now with Shaq. You wanna talk about fair value because of Marion's unhappyness, but you forget to cite the fact that Shaq got into a full out screaming altercation with Pat Riley earlier in the year, which is alot of the reason he's milking his injury, and even began filing retirement papers because of his unhappyness with the Heat. That alone should have afforded the Suns a pick or two for one of the leagues best, relitavely young players. Shit even the T-Wolves got Al Jerfferson for KG and they had Kevin McHale working the phones. So in essesnce the Suns for an unhappy Shaq for and unhappy Marion. This trade is beyond the logic of "well they didn't get fair market value, but hey they did their best." No, they got nervous because they saw SA and LA had bigs, and they figured they would get the biggest name out there even if he was devoid of his talent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post-42849954041597796012008-02-07T09:32:00.000-05:002008-02-07T09:32:00.000-05:00Ivro, you have points. However, I wasn't posting ...Ivro, you have points. However, I wasn't posting that to say that I think the Suns won out in that deal. I said that I'm <B>OK</B> with the deal, not I love the deal. No one in their right mind would do that deal straight up; do you think that Shaquille O'Neal is fair market value for Marion and Banks? Of course not, because he's not. But that's not the NBA. It's not a magical world where people do deals and teams get fair market value for every guy they move. Sorry if you don't like that but it's the truth my friend. When guys grumble, they get moved. When GM's feel threatened, they make moves. Therefore, fair market value no longer exists. I'm just giving you a positive take on a deal that everyone seems to view as negative for Phoenix, when it doesn't have to be. It's speculation for anyone to say anything about it right now.G.L. Rawxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03145050135732701153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post-1253272000706198362008-02-06T18:39:00.000-05:002008-02-06T18:39:00.000-05:00Well its official. Neon Bodeaux is now a Sun. Ne...Well its official. Neon Bodeaux is now a Sun. Never thought Pau Gasol would make GM's go so Bat Shit crazy. Whats next? Big Al Jefferson to the Spurs for The Alamo, Jacque Vaughn, Eva Longoria and a pack of skittles? Somebody get Kevin McHale's crazy ass on the phone.RedDevil74https://www.blogger.com/profile/13840739820485763761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-146454238498177902.post-80817830060903427372008-02-06T17:50:00.000-05:002008-02-06T17:50:00.000-05:00I'm sorry but I have to pull the "wtf" card on thi...I'm sorry but I have to pull the "wtf" card on this entire post. Just the notion that this trade works for the Suns is absurd. When/If Shaq eventually does get healthy enough to play, he is going to kill the entire squad that D'Antoni threw together. The Suns litterally never play a slow pace of basketball so how is Shaq who is old and out of shape going to get up and down the court. Its going to be a 4 on 5 game for the Suns constantly on offense. The suns obviously pulled this as a "fuck you" move to the Lakers and trying to find a way to guard both Bynum and Gasol. Now rather than having Marion's contract leave after the opt-out in the summer and being able to sign someone more compitant, they threw 40 million more on to their bill. Why not just keep Kurt Thomas this offseason. He was terrible offensivly and slightly overpaid, but could guard Duncan better than anyone in the west, and still provide that quickness to get up and down while enabling Amare to play PF. Instead they traded him and two first round picks for a SECOND ROUND PICK!!! How does that make any sense. How they are saddled with someone slower, more overpaid, less healthy, and worse in a fast offense, and had to give up Shawn Marion for him. So you tell me who would you rather have... an unhappy Shawn Marion, Marcus banks, Kurt Thomas and 2 first round picks or Shaq and a second rounder? Seems like even the last place team in the league decided they rather have the first choice even if it didnt include thomas or 2 first rounders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com